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I don't want chavs in Raider Nation. I draw the line at chavs.

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2 hours ago, the admiral said:

I don't want chavs in Raider Nation. I draw the line at chavs.

 

"Oi fink we'ww beat facking Minny-sota wivout bovver, innit?"

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If they played next season in London, would the Raiders organization need to move to the UK as well? Would they need to get work visas for every employee? And I can’t see the players ever agreeing to play a full season in the UK on such short notice when UK income taxes are so much higher. IMO any team playing more than a couple of games in London is impossible unless it’s planned years in advance, it’s not something you can make up as you go

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43 minutes ago, anythinglogos said:

If they played next season in London, would the Raiders organization need to move to the UK as well? Would they need to get work visas for every employee? And I can’t see the players ever agreeing to play a full season in the UK on such short notice when UK income taxes are so much higher. IMO any team playing more than a couple of games in London is impossible unless it’s planned years in advance, it’s not something you can make up as you go

 

Stop looking at this logically.

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2 hours ago, anythinglogos said:

If they played next season in London, would the Raiders organization need to move to the UK as well? Would they need to get work visas for every employee? And I can’t see the players ever agreeing to play a full season in the UK on such short notice when UK income taxes are so much higher. IMO any team playing more than a couple of games in London is impossible unless it’s planned years in advance, it’s not something you can make up as you go

 

Again:  Test Bed.  

A chance to find out all the specifics involved in the logistics of operating a franchise there, without making a permanent commitment to do so.

 

If not for the Bills experiments a while back, I'd be suggesting Toronto instead of London, but if Toronto's not going to back a team from Buffalo they're sure not gonna pony up NFL prices to watch a vagabond Raiders team play 8 home dates at SkyDome.

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9 hours ago, anythinglogos said:

If they played next season in London, would the Raiders organization need to move to the UK as well? Would they need to get work visas for every employee? And I can’t see the players ever agreeing to play a full season in the UK on such short notice when UK income taxes are so much higher. IMO any team playing more than a couple of games in London is impossible unless it’s planned years in advance, it’s not something you can make up as you go

 

I wont pretend to know the rules/regs here, but the Jags are already playing 3 games, so it’s not like the league isn’t already aware of the nuances. 

 

They can work something out with the PA to compensate the players for the stress of the Travel and any financial losses. 

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There’s only one logical solution to this mess: 

 

 

The Oakland Raiders of Branson, Missouri. 

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So, Raiders to Vegas are a sure thing right? Like 100%? 

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33 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

So, Raiders to Vegas are a sure thing right? Like 100%? 

Unless they decide to completely abandon the active construction project.

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

There’s only one logical solution to this mess: 

 

 

The Oakland Raiders of Branson, Missouri. 

Nah, gotta do what we gotta do with Minor League Hockey: Put all the games in Upstate New York

 

So one week at Ralph Wilson, another at the Carrier Dome, another at the Kopf, another in Albany, play the day after Cortaca in either Cortland or Ithaca depending on the home team, another in a temporary venue in Lake George.. see, we're going pla[/gets sacked for making this joke again]

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

There’s only one logical solution to this mess: 

 

 

The Oakland Raiders of Branson, Missouri. 

The Oakland Raiders having to somehow survive in Christian Vegas could be fun.

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3 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

There’s only one logical solution to this mess: 

 

 

The Oakland Raiders of Branson, Missouri. 

 

Only if they also play half of their games here:

 

 

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Honestly if this lawsuit comes to fruition and the Raiders do leave early I think Sam Boyd's the only place that makes sense - anywhere else would be a disaster of a season, and if all of that lines up I honestly think the NFL will cave and just let them play there, despite all of its issues.

Although as I say that, a lame-duck year in San Diego like Cosmic suggested would be a disaster that'd be worth it just for the image of the Chargers having to return over the bridge they detonated 2 years ago...

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On 10/8/2018 at 10:13 PM, anythinglogos said:

If they played next season in London, would the Raiders organization need to move to the UK as well? Would they need to get work visas for every employee? And I can’t see the players ever agreeing to play a full season in the UK on such short notice when UK income taxes are so much higher. IMO any team playing more than a couple of games in London is impossible unless it’s planned years in advance, it’s not something you can make up as you go

 

Two points I'd like to make about the bold part.

 

1. The fact that collective bargaining agreements haven't never contended with the inequity of taxes on income and in terms of that being a deciding factor where millionaires choose to sign is an issue. Many said that heading to Florida was an original reason for LeBron to go to Miami and form the super-team there. But, then again, California is his destination this time. So, at some point it doesn't matter. But, some type of modifier to raise or lower pay rates by economic taxation policies of each team would level the playing field and remove that from the potential argument for or against a destination to sign.

 

2. As 'performers', players pay income tax where their performance takes place. Not where they live. So, the increase in tax wouldn't be that noticeable. At least half their games aren't at their home venue (though a California baseball player might feel the pinch with interleague play means dozens of games in state).

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56 minutes ago, Sykotyk said:

 

Two points I'd like to make about the bold part.

 

1. The fact that collective bargaining agreements haven't never contended with the inequity of taxes on income and in terms of that being a deciding factor where millionaires choose to sign is an issue. Many said that heading to Florida was an original reason for LeBron to go to Miami and form the super-team there. But, then again, California is his destination this time. So, at some point it doesn't matter. But, some type of modifier to raise or lower pay rates by economic taxation policies of each team would level the playing field and remove that from the potential argument for or against a destination to sign.

 

2. As 'performers', players pay income tax where their performance takes place. Not where they live. So, the increase in tax wouldn't be that noticeable. At least half their games aren't at their home venue (though a California baseball player might feel the pinch with interleague play means dozens of games in state).

Well Shad Khan https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/11/report-khan-exploring-tax-implications-of-playing-in-london-basing-team-in-jacksonville/

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4 hours ago, dfwabel said:

 

Somehow, your link lead directly back to this thread. Spooky . . . 

 

Let's see if this works.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/11/report-khan-exploring-tax-implications-of-playing-in-london-basing-team-in-jacksonville/

 

There's also this . . . 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/10/former-employee-claims-shad-khan-plans-to-move-jaguars-to-london/

 

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I'll add my own piece.  It will sound very crackpottish (if I may invent a word), but I'm going to toss it out there anyway.

 

My son is good friends with John Harbaugh's daughter.  She has occasionally tossed him info before it breaks and has always been pretty reliable/accurate.  She told him last night that her "sources" say the Jags plan to move to London within the next 2-3 years.

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It wouldn’t make any sense to play all eight games in London while basing the team in Jacksonville, but one option that could make sense is playing four home games a year at Wembley Stadium and the other four in Jacksonville, while keeping the team facility in Florida. That would allow him to keep his word to remain in Jacksonville while also maximizing his revenue, as the Jaguars reportedly make more money for the games they play in London than for the games they play in Jacksonville.

 

I'd rather see them in San Diego full-time. Giving Jacksonville half a team feels like a disaster.

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2 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

I'd rather see them in San Diego full-time. Giving Jacksonville half a team feels like a disaster.

 

yeah, that's a terrible plan.  Then neither London nor Jacksonville really have a team.  Gotta commit one way or the other...

 

... or yeah - just move to SD.

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I have no particular affinity for North Florida or the Jaguars, but I would still hate to see this happen. It's almost worse than a full relocation in some respects: we're 50-percent here because for tax purposes we have to be. I wish the NFL would give up on this London pipe dream.

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